i got questions for you; you've got answers untrue.

[semisweet]

item 1 is because it's an issue that comes up in my life every now and again, and while i have a definite answer that seems obvious to me, i've noticed that not everyone agrees. item 2 is because over my past couple of years on twop, between blake and carly and now david, i've seen what seems like a disproportionate number of people who are somewhat vehemently anti-tattoo. item 3 is the same general concept. i'm just curious, because i always find myself going "holy fuck, is everyone on this board, like, 60 years old?" and then i wonder if i'm just the weird one.

also, for question 1, since i phrased it stupidly - would you choose to wait outside somewhere where you have a pretty okay chance of meeting them OR would you choose to go see them perform in a place/situation where you are highly unlikely to meet them?

[Poll #1237963]

Comments

[letloverule42.livejournal.com]

i should qualify my answer on #3. MOST of the time I find guyliner insanely hot. but for some reason, NOT on DCook. he just doesn't look like himself with it, it throws me off every time I see it, and I spend at least 10 minutes staring at the picture going "....What's wrong with David? What happened to the FAAAACE?"

[heartsfortress.livejournal.com]

THIS.

aaaaaaand i put 2 answers down for #2 -- i love Carly's tats, but to me only certain people can pull off large quantities of ink on their bodies.

for the most part i think small, hidden tats are the best (like David's "AC" tattoo on his arm - perfect!)

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

lol. i like it on him, but i like it on everyone, so i'm easy.

really, the question is just a general question, tho. i'm just constantly amazed by the number of people who are still weirded out by eyeliner on a dude.

[thegirliscrazy.livejournal.com]

Yeah, we've been having this discussion since season FOUR. Good grief, has a consensus still not been reached that it's not the end of the world? SMH

[notesinmydrawer.livejournal.com]

i agree with this. i like it on guys in general, but it's NOT for dcook, in my view.

[raspsun.livejournal.com]

Re: 3: On some it looks good, on some it doesn't, I don't particularly find it attractive, but it doesn't particularly turn me off. So I chose "I don't care" because it was the best fit, lol.

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

i'm just constantly amazed by the number of people who are still actively weirded out by eyeliner on a dude. maybe i should have just asked "are you weirded out by eyeliner on a dude?" and saved everyone some confusion. :P

[lessthangreat.livejournal.com]

I didn't answer #3 because -- well, I guess I could've answered "hot!" but I didn't think it covered all of my feelings, so. I think eyeliner is insanely hot on some guys, like on some guys it just works. But on others, it is so, so wrong. I've noticed that there really isn't an in-between for that, interestingly enough.

But LOL Winona Forever.

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

i'm just constantly amazed by the number of people who are still actively, like, weirded out by eyeliner on a dude. maybe i should have just asked "are you weirded out by eyeliner on a dude?" and saved everyone some confusion, hee.

and XD.

[fluffers.livejournal.com]

Yeah, so I have to qualify my answers as well. I'm with the general consensus above in that guyliner is usually HAWT but some guys just can't work it. Same with tats, not everyone can pull off a lot of ink, but I think it looks amazing on those who can, and I love the design and art of tats, and the meaning behind them, whether a person has one or a hundred.
And for #1...it depends on who it is, really.

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

i'm just constantly amazed by the number of people who are still actively, like, weirded out by eyeliner on a dude. maybe i should have just asked "are you weirded out by eyeliner on a dude?" and saved everyone some confusion, hee.

[fluffers.livejournal.com]

Haha, then I would have definitely come down firmly on the pro-liner side. Idg ppl who are weirded out by it either. Or by guys wearing girls jeans. Tiny boys don't really have a lot of options! I live/work in a tiny town, and I'm always amazed by people's attitudes about that kind of thing. I just really want to shake them and say "IT'S '08, ARE YOU SRS? SO WHAT IF HE'S WEARING MAKEUP?"

[exsequar.livejournal.com]

The first one's a weird question to me. Because... a chance to meet one of them is very rare. But they go on tours all the time. So are you saying that if you choose to meet them, you will NEVER get to see play EVER? If so, then I would choose watching them play. But realistically, I would choose to meet them because that's a unique chance. I know meeting Gee was super special to me, though the show was obviously better.

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

no, i didn't mean you'd never get to see them play. i just...i know people who will choose to wait outside somewhere in the hopes of meeting someone, rather than actually going to the show, and i just don't get that, personally. i'll always go to the show. XD

[exsequar.livejournal.com]

Ohhhhh, I see. Okay. I was thinking of it in a more artificial way, like someone said "you are guaranteed to meet Frank Iero at this place at this time! go!" and whether you would choose that over the music. But in that scenario, no, I would definitely choose going to the show!

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

yeah, i phrased the question poorly. :(

[dekolette.livejournal.com]

3. I don't hate eyeliner on guys. Some guys look good with it, some don't so I chose 'i don't care'.

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

i'm just constantly amazed by the number of people who are still actively, like, weirded out by eyeliner on a dude. maybe i should have just asked "are you weirded out by eyeliner on a dude?" and saved everyone some confusion, hee.

[kashmir1.livejournal.com]

For question #3, I answered I don't care because it really depends on the guy for me.

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

i'm just constantly amazed by the number of people who are still actively, like, weirded out by eyeliner on a dude. maybe i should have just asked "are you weirded out by eyeliner on a dude?" and saved everyone some confusion, hee.

[kashmir1.livejournal.com]

In the immortal words of Jim Morrison, people are strange.

[cinandtonic.livejournal.com]

1. I picked meet them under the assumption that at least I can listen to their music on my own and that it's only a choice between meeting or hearing at this one time.

2. I kind of want one, but I'm chicken lol

3. I can go either way, sometimes it's hot, sometimes...not so much lol

[blindmadness.livejournal.com]

Re 1: Me also, on this one. ♥ Obviously live music is an amazing experience, but for me it's always been more about the fact that it's the people making the music right there than the music itself. Plus I have chances to see my favourites play so much more often than I have to meet them.

And piggybacking a 2 onto here, I'd love to contemplate a tattoo myself, but I'm deathly phobic of needles. So I have nothing against them on others or on me in theory, just do not want in practice. /o\

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

re 1: i just...i know people who will choose to wait outside somewhere in the hopes of meeting someone, rather than actually going to the show, and i just don't get that, personally. i'll always go to the show. i mean, there are plenty of musicians i would love to meet, but i personally wouldn't ever blow off a show or a performance or whatever for a chance at it. that's just me, tho.

[blindmadness.livejournal.com]

Yeah, see, that's ridiculous and I would definitely not go for that. D: If I knew for sure I'd get the performance and there was a good chance I wouldn't get the meeting, I would definitely pick the show. But even if I had a sure opportunity to meet someone rather than see their show, it'd depend a lot on the circumstances. A brief fannish encounter wouldn't be worth missing a long show for, but I'd gladly forego only a few songs for a chance to even exchange a few words because that's a pretty big deal, y'know?

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

01. oh, yeah. i really didn't phrase that question well. i just...i know people who will choose to wait outside somewhere in the hopes of meeting someone, rather than actually going to the show, and i just don't get that, personally. i'll always go to the show. XD

02. it's really not as bad as you'd think. i'm a huge wuss and i have four and i'm planning more, so.

03. i'm just constantly amazed by the number of people who are still actively, like, weirded out by eyeliner on a dude. maybe i should have just asked "are you weirded out by eyeliner on a dude?" and saved everyone some confusion, hee.

[hearthisvoice.livejournal.com]

I srsly doubt you needed to see my poll results on this bb.

But for the record:

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[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

*points to icon*

eta: lol, i was thinking you could see the $ in that icon. oh well. *failbot*

altho i guess it's appropriate to fail on a cash-related comment! XD

[jkpolk.livejournal.com]

I said "meet them" even though I know that's the shallow poseur answer. Heh. But if it's truly my favorite people ever... I can get a next-best thing to seeing them live online, or on a dvd, or just listening to a cd. But I can never come close to replicating meeting them, when it may be my only chance ever. I'd likely have a chance to see them play someday elsewhere.

*shrug*

(as in...I would piss my pants to meet Paul McCartney but I have enough near-life experiences of his music that I wouldn't trade it for a meeting.)

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

idk. i just know some people who will choose to go somewhere and wait for a chance to maybe meet the object/musician/whatever of their affection, rather than taking the sure-thing opportunity to see them play, and i just don't get that. i will ALWAYS go to the show.

[jkpolk.livejournal.com]

For most people I'd agree and choose your answer. But just...when faced with it being my favorite best people ever...that's where I get weak. Maybe it's about the relative hard-to-meet-ness of one's favorite people? :)

[tiggz.livejournal.com]

i also want to quantify on #2. i like tattoos, in general, but i can't deal with the full sleeves things or tattoos on faces. there is such a thing as too much. i also make fun of people who get tattoos of cartoon characters.

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

i like sleeves, but yeah, facial tattoos are not on for me.

*hides betty boop tat*

ok, i don't really have one. :P

[reesestar.livejournal.com]

Im going to elaborate because im waiting for the metro and have to pee and must get my mind off of it.

I'd gen rather see someone play than meet them. Unless certain circumstances. I don't like greet and grins, I don't like waiting outside busses slash venues, or anything like that. And in masses I hate hearing people's retelling of these times. People seem delusional a lot and either see the absolute best or supreme worse in the situations. So n so put their arm around me and omg he touched my waist during the pic and he wants me! Or so n so was rushed and and so rude and how dare they! Its ridiculous. And I've heard the so n sos sides of meeting fans that way and I know its all pretty much a nuisance and a blur. Which is sad. Though, nothing I say is totally true so im not knocking it. If im gonna meet someone I adore I am a brat and want more. I sound like a bitch but it happens.

Tattoos. More more more. I want ngi ne themba tatood. And either a judy garland portrait or some wizard of oz theme. Its all ridiculously lame I admit but I've been thinking about this for a long time. All I have now is a pretty large shooting star. Whatev. I totally judge people on their tattoos and I can only imagine what people think of me or will. This is me though.

And no bueno on david and eyeliner. Some guys are uber sexy though, less often than it was a few years ago. Its dading.

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

well, i hope expounding on my poll helped with the having to pee thing!

yeah, i'll ALWAYS choose to go to the show. i mean, it's nice to get a chance to meet someone you admire and have a good experience, but it's always SUCH a crapshoot. but musically, the people i love just generally don't let me down.

in any event, when i made the poll, i was thinking specifically about people i know who will make the choice to wait somewhere for a CHANCE to meet someone rather than taking the sure-thing opportunity to see them play, which i will never understand. there are clearly people i'd love to meet, but 30 seconds of anonymous interaction versus actually seeing a show? psh.

i always want more tattoos. i have four and at least two more i'm planning. my poor mother. but i'm getting an angel for my bff who passed away a few years ago, and i'm getting an anchor on the other side (sort of...not a chest piece exactly, but kind of the front of my shoulders?) for my father who died 6 months later. i also kind of want to get something for my mom (who is very much alive, thank god) just so she doesn't feel left out. and i kind of want "our lady of perpetual astonishment" on me somewhere, because it's a vonnegut quote (it's actually on my journal) and i love it.[/ramble]

the eyeliner question was actually in no way about david, lol. i'm just constantly amazed by the number of people who are still actively, like, weirded out by eyeliner on a dude. maybe i should have just asked "are you weirded out by eyeliner on a dude?" and saved everyone some confusion.

[reesestar.livejournal.com]

hahaha. i haven't noticed too many other guys wearing liner.. except at work (being that i work in make-up and one of the other male artists..wears liner). but then you posted some pics of dave with lineer and-ick. the boy has come a long way from what he used to be but i think the liner is a step back. which is why i voiced that opinion. i find myself more weirded out by men wearing dresses, which i am seeing far more of. maybe it's just on the trains and perhaps its even the same guy. regardless.

i honestly don't think i could respect anyone who chose to meet someone and wait for it during their performance. unless they were really, really more obsessed with the image of the person and could readily admit it, no bueno. i saw that a lot at hanson concerts and it was ridiculous. especially because meeting hanson after a show is probably the lamest of all celebrity encounters.

i never asked you, have you met butch walker?

I LOVE YOUR ICON. i am honored you chose if for my responce if you even put any slight thought into it!!! <3

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

hee, well i support pretty much any boy wearing eyeliner (it's a thing with me, idk) but nah, it was just a general wondering. i...have not really seen men in dresses lately, so i have nothing for you there. i don't think i would enjoy it as much as i enjoy men in eyeliner. or, y'know, at all.

i have not met butch walker. i've only ever even SEEN him once, about a year and a half ago at the HOB in orlando. i need more butch in my life, but he's never really anywhere i can get to, and i don't really have people to drag with me for the most part. at least not long distances. i have a friend who lives right outside atlanta who loves him, tho, so i'm hoping i can get down there and see him with her some time.

and yes, i gave you that icon on purpose. <3

[reesestar.livejournal.com]

girl, you are missing out!!

and let me tell you, you do not need to leave the show to meet him.

the first time i saw him, i did his merch. his manager asked me to wait around after the show. turns out butch met every last person inside, talked to them, took pictures, gave his full attention to every soul who wanted anything from him. at first i was bored, then i started paying attention and it was amazing just to watch him interact. i have never, ever seen that before, before or after seeing him. i still babble about it to this day (obviously). i don't know how long i had to wait and i didn't even know i was waiting for him. he apologized, i praised him, and he kissed me on the cheeks and thanked me again and again, gave me his email, invited me to the bar he was going to (rocket bar, now closed, and i was too young, but he still told me to come and i did and he hung out in the parking lot a little at the bar b/c i couldnt get in). the man is the most sincere, beautiful soul. i think i've met him everytime, sometimes he's drunker than others, sometimes i am. but he's always been the best.

see, i don't think i'd want to see him at a hometown show. i think the smaller the city and farther away from the music industry, the better his shows are. & i don't like seeing my fav bands places where they know half the crowd. i saw him in nashville & chicago a few times and there was always big bands there who worked with him, love him, etc and it's just a different atmosphere. more glossy & plastic. it's interesting to see these bands you know from mtv go fangirl over him, but he seems to have another persona. the pink spyders, sugarcult, kill hannah, i have a vague recollection of fallout boy (or at elast talk of pete in chicago, i was wasted, don't know), etc all at the shows i went to.

so come to st louis and see him. but really, i'd see him ANYWHERE. i'm ready for him to re-announce those dates. & all the reasons i'm hearing now are such BS for him to cancel.

(the first time i met dc he was getting in my car and butch was playing. i realized his love, we bonded, i made him drive. next time i saw him was after all this craziness happened with butch in chicago & i made him look at all the pics and boy has a jealous streak. haha. those few weeks were the best ever)

[plausible.livejournal.com]

My number one needs 'splaining. I chose "see them play," because I'm assuming we mean living, currently touring bands, and my favorite - Panic - I've already met twice, so I'll just see 'em play again. But if we're talking of all time? EITHER/OR, because my favorite of all time is The Beatles and either way that means TIME TRAVEL and I'm a-okay with any way the universe wants to allow me to travel through space and time. ;D

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

I ALWAYS SUPPORT TIME TRAVEL! \o/

nah, the question was poorly phrased. i just know some people who will choose to go somewhere and wait for a chance to maybe meet the object/musician/whatever of their affection, rather than taking the sure-thing opportunity to see them play, and i just don't get that. i will ALWAYS go to the show, myself.

[plausible.livejournal.com]

Yeah, no, I don't get that either. I mean, except with my silly time travel option. But with actual bands still touring? I'll never understand choosing meeting them for a split second over seeing them play. I'd only meet them if it meant I was seeing them play also. But never in a pick-one-and-only-one situation. I'll always take the sure-thing seeing them play.

[beautifulcity.livejournal.com]

Did I ever tell you about Sammy Jankis?

[inlipstickred.livejournal.com]

<333333

ugh, i love that movie. i need to watch it again. like...right now, maybe.

[thegirliscrazy.livejournal.com]

So, #1 - see them play. For example, I saw Prince on the Musicology tour; no way would I have ever given that up just for the chance to meet him outside later for a few minutes. Honestly I may never see a Prince concert again (I hope I do, but just figuring the odds here) so if I were to wait outside and meet him I'd be upset that I didn't get to see him live. Besides of which, it's PRINCE so we already know he is a strange, strange man. I've never deified him but I've got a certain image in mind of him based on his music, of this revolutionary, enigmatic and coolly mysterious man. But I know he's just strange and probably a control freak and may come off rude or impersonal or maybe he just would be a funny little old man in a zoot suit and women's heels and he just wouldn't seem so revolutionary or enigmatic or coolly mysterious anymore. I think so highly of him musically that I don't want my opinion of his talent screwed over because of five minutes or so of likely awkwardness. He doesn't even like to speak or interview half the time so there probably wouldn't even be much in the way of small talk, so what would be the point? IDK, it's silly, I know, but when your favorite artist is Prince I think that is how you have to look at it. Always take seeing the concert over meeting the man. I almost feel sorry for the poor souls whose fave artist is still Michael Jackson. Seeing him face to face? *shudder* Do. Not. Want.

#2 - I have no tattoos, but I want two - an angel/cherub on the front of my right shoulder and a little demon on the back of my left shoulder. I've considered getting a tat just above my left breast (not ON the breast b/c OMG that is just too much pain to even think about) with my dad's initials on a ribbon or something like that, but I think I'll pass on that and maybe just put his initials on the angel.

And am I the ONLY person who absolutely paid no attention to Carly's tat like, ever? People either talked about how it was the coolest thing ever or how it was a ridiculous monstrosity that needed to be covered up and OMG hasn't she ever heard of a thing called a SLEEVE??!!11!?1!? I just never noticed it. I never realized it was a geisha till people on TWoP kept going on and on about the face on her arm. Seriously? NOT that big a deal. The thing is, I can remember that the majority of AI's audience is in fact that middle America, whitebread, skewing-towards-conservative/right-wing, Christian sect. But I almost always forget that a lot of TWoPPers are that exact type or quite close to it despite them thinking they are SO much better than the "average" narrow-minded American because ooh, they're on TWoP so they must be cool!

3 - I don't care. Some guys pull it off better than others, of course, but mainly it's one of those things where it's almost never bothered me as long as it's done properly (if it's jacked up then it's a problem), but I don't really pay it much attention beyond, "Oh, he's wearing eyeliner." It's not that often that a guy actually makes me think right away "Wow, you look hot in that eyeliner." DCook, I though it looked strange on him at first, but actually the more I look at the pic with him wearing it the more I get used to it and start to like it. Then you have guys like Pete Wentz, who were just fucking made to wear eyeliner and be ridiculously gorgeous for no damn reason. I swear no other guy on this earth will ever look better in eyeliner than Pete Wentz, and it's definitely a compliment.

Wow, I'm yappy tonight. you'd think I'd use this opportunity to, idk, update or something.

...

eh, maybe later. :-)

[rain-dances.livejournal.com]

Oh man, see them play. No question. I might change my mind if the meeting was something more in depth/meaningful than seeing them for a few seconds and having them sign something/get a pic or something, which is awesome, don't get me wrong. But I would always want to hear the MUSIC over that, because the only reason I'd want that encounter in the first place is BECAUSE of the music . I don't know how much sense I'm making.

[lillijulianne.livejournal.com]

1) i chose "see them play," because i'm shy of famous people, and mostly don't feel i have anything to say to them or vice versa. there is one exception, though, and that would be bruce. when someone literally saved your life, you do want to thank him.

2) i chose "fine on other people, not me," because that is overall how i feel. i will confess, though, that when i dislike someone and find her vulgar and trashy i will include her tattoos in my disdain, like the woman i used to work with who had met a married man at their children's little league practices, and was now living with him, and would not shut up about their sex life and the dopiness of his wife. when she showed up with her new tramp stamp and wouldn't shut up about that either, i mocked.

3) i don't get the weirded out either. i remember helping my sister's friend fred with his eyeliner before the cure show, and that was more than 20 years ago. less age-related than having to do with differences regional, political, musical...?